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First project: A new aircraft for Counterinsurgency

 

    

 

 

I have spent a long time studying the aviation counterinsurgency (COIN) operations in Southeast Asia, from Water Pump and Jungle Jim, to the Raven FAC’s and Air America, and think we need to rebuild a COIN aircraft capability. There has been a variety of commentary on the web in the past few months, much due to an Air Force generated Request for Information for a commercial off the shelf COIN aircraft for the Iraqi AF.  This concept paper was well underway when that appeared.  EXCALIBUR is not being paid for this, we are trying to show the world that the blogosphere can work together and fairly rapidly, propose, discuss, and evaluate national security concepts. 

We are choosing this concept because we are hugely frustrated with the current lack of emphasis in the services on small war COIN problems and this is why we are leading with this subject.  If you are an Army troop, Marine, Frogman, Combat Controller, or whatever, throw in your comments and let's get the dialogue going.  This is your chance to take on the PowerPoint Rangers in the five sided building! 

You’ll notice there are unfinished slides and we are seeking help from the net, you will be acknowledged (if you choose) and either way, we seek comments on the subject. While I think the linked concept paper on an armed AT-6 is a very viable concept, this is about creating a process and if you have alternative views or concepts, send them in! 

 

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Published Jul 23 2007, 08:43 PM by Otto
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Comments

 

WS274152 said:

Otto--

The COIN mission needs to come back full bore for the war on terror.  There are several big questions--what is the mission?  what are the tactics? who needs it?  who owns the capability?  Is it integrated with the "host country"?  

The T 6 platform you have highlighted is an interesting starting point, recognizing that it is a trainer that is being converted into a tactical aircraft.  (but then, COIN has always been a "makeup" game).    I would like to encourage a discussion which starts with the ground warfighter (who may be indigenous) and what he needs in the way of ISR and precision fire support, how it gets integrated and immediately available to him?  

I don't see a warm reception for your concept with USAF or AFSOC.  The aircraft doesn't have a "burner",  isn't supersonic, and the pilot may have to deal with a few foreign languages to get the "stud" to drop the gear.  The genes necessary to press the COIN approach left the DNA of our military leadership a few generations ago.  

July 27, 2007 6:58 PM
 

Smokeyshra said:

Otto,

Great start on a much needed capability.  Here is another idea.  Instead of a tandem seat rainer for the COIN CAS mission why not use something like the Cessna 208 Caravan or Pilatus PC-12.  Equip it like a gunship.  You can carry more firepower and more ammo plus take advantage of some of the COTS sensor packages.  When the aircraft is being used to scorch earth it can be earning it's keep winning hearts and minds.  This also provides cover.

Smokey

July 28, 2007 1:49 AM
 

Otto said:

WSnumbers and Smokey,

Great posts!  This is exactly the kind of dialogue that serious folks need to have on a serious forum.  

WS I can't agree more with you, but I did want to throw my first brief out there to get the conversation going.  Our system has the combatant commander setting the requirements and the services filling them.  The USAF is not at all jumping at the prospect of smaller, cheaper, COIN support.

If you want to talk DNA of USAF leaders, check this out.  Of the 4-stars in the USAF, I counted 8 of 11 (I might have missed one) that flew single seat F-15's.  Of course, they also flew many other a/c and this is not any criticism of them personally, but as a service, the air to air mission has been preeminent for a long time.

Now Smokey, you are also right on as a utility a/c and the idea of a multi-use light a/c should definitely be pursued but I still see value in a light attack/ISR a/c with an ejection seat, especially for countries that don't need high end fighters. AFSOC already has the PC-12's (here www2.afsoc.af.mil/.../factsheet.asp ) and the Caravan looks like it's a great a/c too.

July 28, 2007 11:46 AM
 

Otto said:

BTW,

two of those other 4-stars are worthy of note, General Lance Smith the JFCOM CO flew A-1's out of Naked Fanny (Nakhon Phanom RTAFB) and my old boss General Norty Schwartz as fine a SOF aviator who has ever strapped an airplane on, I just hope the system will still allow non air to air guys and gals to move up.

July 28, 2007 11:58 AM
 

WS274152 said:

Otto, I'm with Smokey on using a Caravan for some of this, particularly as a small gunship.  Put a FLIR/ EO turret on it, stick a gun out the door, and you have something that is simple yet effective. (hey, wasn't this done before??)  One might even pack a rack of Hellfires onboard for those pesky moving targets.

Again, somebody's going to have to lay down mission and tactics, but I think a gunship has some advantages over a more conventional fixed wing attack craft, particularly in its ability to watch a ground target without interruption.  

I don't know what this would cost, but am guessing it's somewhat less than our $250M, AC 130 U-boats.  

July 28, 2007 12:40 PM
 

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Edward "Otto" Pernotto is President and founder of EXCALIBUR Research and Development, LLC.